I left, came back, annnd what a mistake

[jadon1979]

I left because, regardless of what the mods are forced to say, the site has been broken since December and someone updated the game configs so the payouts are dramatically less… unfortunately, I decided to come dump some cash over a few days to see if it had changed… This site is great if you enjoy an RTP of 50% or less… I get it, the mods will come and say “NO, it’s 52%” or something like that, it’s their job to take arrows for the company’s BS, but this is absurd.

The first is why I initially left, as it’s pretty much par for the course… well, that and there’s no real requlations/oversight for these types of “casinos” and end users have no recourse like they would of this were legitimately regulated…

The second is just for today, because who wouldn’t be jaded about doing larger amounts… so for the last few days it’s been around 50%…

[Alexander]

To add some context here, while you’re correct with the session RTP results and this is quite a bad run, this is an extremely small sample size of spins. It takes thousands if not more spins to ever mathematically equal out the vast number of spins players create in a game and equal out the RTP. One small win would drastically alter the results of this session.

Also to add some clarity, we don’t provide different RTP results when there’s no need to correct a player. We generally only do this when players are providing a sample that is inaccurate or false to make sure the information other players are reading publicly is true.

Finally again there was no change in any gameplay RTP recently. This is simply false. RTP’s are as stated in the game rules and there’s no need to adjust them, nor would they be without fair warning or reasoning.

[Blair_jr]

@jadon1979 @Alexander

Trust me you’re 1000% correct. This site has made some “updates” in the past 6 months that will make you want to puke. If I wasn’t such a degenerate gambler I would have left a long time ago. There are 2 sites I played regularly before joining here where I would make a deposit and actually play with that single deposit for 5-7 days. I’d compare that to seeing a unicorn around here. 1 glance at my history and it’s blatantly obvious. They say 1 picture is worth a thousand words. Well at slots.lv that picture is worth a couple thousand…

[jadon1979]

This isn’t a small sample size… this has been par for the course since December and there are numerous people on this forum that have raised concerns about it… we all played prior to December and it was vastly different then than it is now… “RTP is the same” sure as long as you adjust the sample size to fit… RNG is weighted and those weights can be adjusted… either slots.lv did it or the vendors did it, but too many regulars have come forward since then for it to be false… I get that it’s your job to defend the company, but there is simply too much stacked against your responses. I would all but guarantee my total RTP since December is < 50% and most of the regulars that played here last year likely have very similar numbers.

[jadon1979]

Anyone else out there have screenshots related to their low RTP? These posts get buried way too easily.

[Ahhzombieee]

Are u a tech ? Do you code these games? how certain can moderators be rtps are correct.

[Blair_jr]

You are laying out some cold hard facts. Not a single one of them, be it agents or admins, will ever acknowledge the accuracy of your post. We all know this. But it doesn’t stop some of us from discussing what we witness daily now. You speculated your RTP is <50% since Dec man I’d be shocked if mine was higher than 25%

[jadon1979]

I was being generous with the 50%. I think it’s actually lower… Mods only know what they’re told… “We can assure you that nothing has changed with the RTP”, but bring up weighted RNG configurations and they go quiet.

[Alexander]

We simply haven’t responded as what I stated above still applies to the entire thread, including your comment. One thing I think you’re missing here is that RTP even for those that play extended periods will always be lower than what is stated on the game if you’ve not ever won a large jackpot. In some games RTP towards the progressive or jackpot is quite a large amount and if not winning them your RTP will be lower than what is stated. For instance if a games RTP is stated at 96%, but you’ve played a thousand spins and never won a progressive or large jackpot it will definitely be lower than this, likely much lower.

The player that wins the progressive gets a large chunk of everyone else’s contribution and has an RTP of 2000%, while others have lower than the expected RTP. (This is just an example, not actual percentages)

Also, in regards to the statement that many players here have advised this recently, this has always been a common argument and is for most gaming industry websites. Before December there were still players bringing up the same issues over the past years. There is no increase lately in RTP complaints as they’ve always been an issue we and any gaming website deals with. It is a common item to be frustrated in these situations as again most players will ultimately lose over a long time period and sometimes have some very bad short sessions as well. This isn’t because games are rigged, it is because this is usually how slots work over the long run unless getting lucky.

[sjsloco]

Can you please tell me where the RTP for each game can be found on the website? Thanks

[Alexander]

Not every game has it listed, but many you simply need to check the game rules.

[sjsloco]

Ok thank you

[Kotdamn]

I left in July…. Came back today. LOL less than 50% and played for under 5 minutes.

[Kotdamn]

Maybe I’ve been gone for too long… LOL am I playing one of those casino apps with fake money? Cause I don’t see any hopes of winning. Feature rounds zero. Highest spin won… 4$ RTP less than 50. I remember why I left

[jadon1979]

Last year, the return was much higher. I was here and on these forums where the complaints where not near as prevalent as they have been this year. You’ve numerous gamers, that were here before December, that have come forward with complaints… things have changed dramatically…

Let’s throw out the whole inclusion of a jackpot… most people aren’t going to hit those… you can drag RTP out until a user hits a big enough win to try and offset it, but many aren’t hitting those “Big wins” to offset the very extremely long dry spells…

“Games aren’t rigged” – Every casino game is rigged to the house favor… as far as the electronic based ones, they have configurations that can be modified… RNG isn’t simply RNG because all casino games are going to have weighted RNG… those weights can also be adjusted…

On our end, we are limited by how far back we can go regarding transactions… We should be able to access our entire transaction history… I guarantee that we could all look at last year and see a dramatic difference in short and long play… we all played here and your comments about it being the same do not mesh up with our experiences… I doubt it meshes with the actual transactional data either.

[Alexander]

The number of players that are on the Forum are simply much higher as well. There has been exponential growth in how many players are on the Forum as opposed to last year, hence the growth in posts in general on the Forum. These type of inquiries being one of the major issues that are consistently brought up.

Again we have other ways of reviewing this on CS and other channels and what you’re stating is simply not in line with what we actually see. There is no major increase or change in these issues being brought forth compared to the amount of players on the Forum or on any other channels, and no change in winning percentages or RTP in the Casino since December. I understand where you’re coming from but ultimately this is your personal experience, and while your entitled to your opinion it doesn’t seem to match what we review.

Also, “throwing out” jackpot wins for an RNG discussion is not something you can do. It’s a paramount and sizable part of the RTP. The point being you are correct and most people won’t win a Jackpot, hence most players won’t have an RTP that is near to the one you’ll see in the rules. Most players will be lower and a very few lucky players will have RTP’s that are far in excess.

In regards to the transaction period I don’t disagree but I believe this is simply impossible with the amount of players and data required. I can of course provide feedback in relation to extending this, though I’m not sure that it’s possible to provide this in full. We can of course always provide this via excel on our end to you if requested.

[jadon1979]

A paginated list with a custom date range filter would not be too much to ask for and it would not tax the system.

I very much would like an excel sheet of my history.

[jadon1979]

These only go back to December. Do you have the ones for last year for comparison?

[roblol]

I don’t know what you guys are going on about. This is a CASINO yall. You do realize that some hit it big, and many have to lose for that to happen, for the casino to be profitable? You can scream configuration change this or that but at the end of the day there is not a single casino out there with this type of traffic that wouldn’t turn a profit with all machines tuned to 95% RTP. and that’s just the slots.

The biggest difference between right now and last year is the bonuses - we got spoiled with the friday free spins folly. if you utilized all of the deposits, you were able to start out with a handsome bankroll with less than $200 deposited.

You aren’t going to hear the users hitting big in this thread, or probably even this forum. I would assume that the percentage of users on this forum compared to their active users on their casino is sub-10%.

You can always use their sister sites if you don’t like this one, or any of the other sites out there. there’s a ton of em.

[jadon1979]

The dramatic shift in wins since December is why we’re going on about it… which many have already complained about and there’s no point in rehashing that… “This is a CASINO yall”… and if any of the land based Casinos I go to had such a dramatic shift then I’d complain there too…

“Use the sister sites”… it’s the same site just white labeled…